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Traders Preparing for $175 Oil

Oil at $175 a barrel; copper at $12,000 a tonne and corn at $10 a bushel. As commodity prices rally, the world’s largest trading houses have been busy ‘stress testing’ to be sure their finances can withstand a “super spike”.

The levels are not a forecast – indeed, executives tell me they do not expect such hefty prices – but do signal a “worse case scenario” for which oil, metals and food commodities traders need to prepare.

“Can we reach $175? I don’t think so,” says a trading executive. “But there is a chance of a spike to that level for one or two days if something happens in Saudi Arabia.” The same reasoning justifies tests for copper at $12,000 a tonne (think of an accident at a big mine in Chile) or corn at $10 a bushel, which could, for example, be caused by bad weather during the US planting season in May and June.

The stress tests have become more common at the physical trading houses in London, Geneva and Singapore. There is reason for it. Contrary to popular wisdom, high commodities prices are bad for pure traders: they consume lots of capital as houses need to finance their cargoes and post more collateral with exchanges for their hedges, leading to a decline in returns.

Take oil: when prices were around $50 a barrel in 2009, traders needed just $100m of capital to finance a supertanker. At current prices, they need about $250m. Not surprisingly, trading houses are now on the capital market raising multibillion dollar one- year and three-year credit lines.

Some traders are also tapping the public bond market – Trafigura did last year – while others are turning to private placements in the US.

A banker who works closely with some of the world’s largest trading houses jokes that money, rather than oil, copper or corn, is the commodity in shorter supply. Of course, it is an exaggeration: the banks’ appetite to finance the houses is very strong and traders are raising money with little trouble. But the comment holds some truth: traders will need lots of credit this year.

I do not expect that any trading house will run into trouble: the rollercoaster market of 2008 cleared the market of the small players unable to compete because of lack of credit. Traders have also learnt from the experience, with more standby lines with banks.

Moreover, the more vulnerable smaller players that rely on “transactional finance” are protected. Yes, they need more credit, but the value of the commodities they move and that they pledge as collateral has also increased, offsetting the blow.

Nonetheless, trading executives say they are thinking twice about some trades and acknowledge that what was profitable a few months ago on the basis of risk-adjusted return on capital is no longer worthwhile because of higher credit needs.

All in all, the rise in commodities will make the life of chief financial officers and treasurers at the trading houses more difficult. With banks happy to continue lending and credit still cheap, traders will be able to weather the storm. But if access to credit gets tighter, the smaller players, which have been able to grow rapidly over the past five years, will end up as the prey of larger, well financed rivals.

US New Home Sales Plunge – Again

Sales of new homes in the US dropped for a third straight month in February to the lowest rate on record, adding to worries that the real estate market remains in decline. I can still hear David Lereah in the woods calling ‘Bottom… Bottom.. BOTTOM!!!!’ to no avail…

The commerce department said new home sales fell 16.9 per cent to an adjusted annual rate of 250,000, compared with a revised rate of 301,000 in January. That missed economists’ expectations of 290,000, and represented a 28 per cent decline from February 2010.

“Housing is not yet participating in the broader recovery,” said Ian Shepherdson, chief US economist at High Frequency Economics, an independent research group. “Sales for the previous three months were revised up by a total of 30,000, so the net number is not quite as bad as the headline, but it is still horrible.”

The median price for a new house sank 13.9 per cent to $202,100, the lowest level since December 2003, dragged by the “significant number of homes that are being sold at fire-sale prices”, said Jim Russell, managing director of the Collingwood Group, a consultancy. That includes the high number of foreclosed homes entering the market as banks work through the foreclosures crisis.

Sales fell across all regions. The northeast was hardest hit, with sales plunging 57.1 per cent from January.

The time it would take to sell the homes currently on the market rose to 8.9 months. Economists say inventory would be cleared in about six months in a healthy housing market.

The inventory build-up “indicates to us that we have a lack of demand because [buyers] don’t have access to credit,” Mr Russell said. That picture will only change with a more sustained recovery in employment, he added.

Employment stability creates a “tremendous waterfall” that “goes all the way through the economy” as workers buy homes and spend money to furnish them with appliances, fixtures and electronics. But current levels of job creation are still too low to have that spillover effect, Mr Russell said.

“If were able to produce service-related jobs and manufacturing jobs that increase our productivity and our GDP, then we’re going to have disposable cash that can be used for the purchase of homes. The supply can then dry up very quickly”, he said. “It’s going to take a while to wash through this.”

On Monday, the National Association of Realtors said sales of existing homes fell a greater-than-expected 9.6 per cent and prices dropped 5.2 per cent amid tight credit conditions and the growing backlog of homes for sale.

US on Road to Insolvency – Fisher

The United States is on a fiscal path towards insolvency and policymakers are at a “tipping point,” a Federal Reserve official said on Tuesday.

The President of the Federal Bank of Dallas, Richard W. Fisher

“If we continue down on the path on which the fiscal authorities put us, we will become insolvent, the question is when,” Dallas Federal Reserve Bank President Richard Fisher said in a question and answer session after delivering a speech at the University of Frankfurt. “The short-term negotiations are very important, I look at this as a tipping point.”

But he added he was confident in the Americans’ ability to take the right decisions and said the country would avoid insolvency. Based on what?

“I think we are at the beginning of the process and it’s going to be very painful,” he added.

Fisher earlier said the US economic recovery is gathering momentum, adding that he personally was extremely vigilant on inflation pressures.

“We are all mindful of this phenomenon. Speaking personally, I am concerned and I am going to be extremely vigilant on that front,” Fisher said in an interview with CNBC.

Fisher added that the U.S. Federal Reserve had ways to tighten its monetary policy other than interest rates, including by selling Treasurys, changing reserves levels and using time deposits.

He added that he does not support the Fed embarking on an additional round of quantitative easing. (This time he’s playing ‘good cop’)

“Barring some extraordinary circumstance I cannot forsee…I would vote against a QE3,” Fisher told CNBC. “I don’t think it’s necessary. Again, we have a self-sustaining recovery.” Self-sustaining? This guy is obviously completely disconnected from reality and should be discredited as such. This ‘Good Cop / Bad Cop’ routine the Fed governors play is really wearing thin. Outside the lapdog media, none of these people have any credibility whatsoever.

Andy Sutton on Liberty Talk Radio

Andy Sutton will appear again for a regular monthly appearance with host Joe Cristiano on Liberty Talk Radio. The show starts at 8PM EDT tomorrow, March 16th, 2011.

They will be discussing the economic ramifications of the ongoing crisis in Japan, and the multitude of other boiling points around the globe including the Middle East, Europe’s debt woes, and our own stateside fiscal situation. Click Here to Listen

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China’s Debt Holdings Larger than Reported

WASHINGTON (AFP) – China’s holdings of US bonds reached $1.16 trillion at the end of December, almost $270 billion more than previously estimated, new data showed Monday.

Beijing, which has converted much of a huge trade surplus with the United States over the past two decades into buying up US treasuries and other securities, held 26.1 percent of the total of $4.44 trillion held by foreigners, the Treasury said.

The figures came as the US government recalculated its data on foreign holdings of US securities from June 2010.

Chinese-held Treasuries have fallen since hitting a high of $1.18 trillion in October, under the revised figures. Japan remained by far the second largest holder of US government debt, with $882 billion in December, around $1.3 billion less than original estimates.

Britain was third at $272.1 billion.

Citigroup: US to Fall to 3rd Largest Economy

Editor’s Note: Small wonder.. Maybe if we didn’t have to bail them out constantly..

The world is going to become richer and richer as developing economies play catch up over the coming years, according to Willem Buiter, chief economist at Citigroup.

“We expect strong growth in the world economy until 2050, with average real GDP growth rates of 4.6 percent per annum until 2030 and 3.8 percent per annum between 2030 and 2050,” Buiter wrote in a market research.

“As a result, world GDP should rise in real PPP-adjusted terms from $72 trillion in 2010 to $380 trillion dollars in 2050,” he wrote.

As the world watches oil prices rise sharply amid unrest in the Middle East, Buiter’s analysis of the world’s long-term prospects offer some hope that better times are ahead but if he is right power will shift from the West to the East very quickly.

“China should overtake the US to become the largest economy in the world by 2020, then be overtaken by India by 2050,” he predicted.

One Way Bet on Emerging Markets?

Growth will not be smooth, according to Buiter. “Expect booms and busts. Occasionally, there will be growth disasters, driven by poor policy, conflicts, or natural disasters. When it comes to that, don’t believe that ‘this time it’s different’.”

However, there are some easy wins for poor countries with big, young populations, he said.

“Developing Asia and Africa will be the fastest growing regions, in our view, driven by population and income per capita growth, followed in terms of growth by the Middle East, Latin America, Central and Eastern Europe, the CIS, and finally the advanced nations of today,” he wrote.

“For poor countries with large young populations, growing fast should be easy: open up, create some form of market economy, invest in human and physical capital, don’t be unlucky and don’t blow it. Catch-up and convergence should do the rest,” Buiter added.

Buiter has constructed a “3G index” to measure economic progress; 3G stands for “Global Growth Generators” and is a weighted average of six growth drivers that the Citigroup economists consider important:

1. A measure of domestic saving/ investment
2. A measure of demographic prospects
3. A measure of health
4. A measure of education
5. A measure of the quality of institutions and policies
6. A measure of trade openness

Using that index the nations to watch over the coming years are Bangladesh, China, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Mongolia, Nigeria, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Vietnam.

“They are our 3G countries,” Buiter said.

Housing Prices Hit New ‘Post-Bust’ Lows

WASHINGTON (AP) — Home prices are hitting new depths in most major U.S. cities and are expected to fall further over the next six months.

In a majority of metro areas tracked by Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller, prices have fallen to their lowest points since the housing bubble burst.

High unemployment, stricter lending rules and fears that prices will continue to fall are among the reasons why few people are buying homes. A rising number of foreclosures are also weighing down prices. And as more people get stuck in depreciating homes, housing could slow the economy.

Across the country, the housing industry is recovering unevenly. Many of the cities now setting new lows have been struggling with high unemployment, more foreclosures and, in some cases, a delayed response to the housing bust in 2006 and 2007.

Homes in more established areas — those that had little room to build during the housing boom — are doing a better job holding their value. Coastal cities in California and Northeast are seeing much smaller price declines. In Washington and San Diego, home prices even rose over the past year.

Still, many people who want to buy can’t. Nearly 25 percent of households cannot move because they owe more on their mortgage than their home is worth, according to Capital Economics. An additional 25 percent can’t qualify for a new mortgage because selling their homes would leave them with too little money for a down payment.

“We’re likely to see new lows hit across most major markets at some point in 2011,” said Mark Vitner, a senior economist at Wells Fargo Securities. “We’re afraid of all this turning into another vicious cycle.”

Housing prices in all but one of the 20 cities tracked by Standard & Poor’s/Case Shiller fell in December from November. And the overall index declined for the sixth straight month. Washington was the only metro area where prices rose month to month.

Eleven of the markets hit their lowest point since the housing bubble burst in 2006 and 2007: Atlanta, Charlotte, N.C., Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas, Miami, New York, Phoenix, Seattle, Tampa, Fla., and Portland, Ore.

The housing sector is struggling even while much of the economy is recovering slowly but steadily. The latest evidence of the divide came Tuesday when the Conference Board said its Consumer Confidence Index rose in February to its highest point in three years. The report suggested that many people are more hopeful about hiring and income gains over the next six months.

By contrast, the outlook for housing this year is dim. Construction of new homes is on pace for little more than half the million units a year that economists consider to be healthy. And the number of vacant homes is near a record high.

Some of the worst declines in home prices are in cities hit hardest by high unemployment and foreclosures. A home that sold for $250,000 in Detroit in 2000, for example, now sells for roughly $163,150, according to the housing report. The unemployment rate there was 11.1 percent.

One in 24 Detroit-area homes with a mortgage was at risk of foreclosure last year, according to foreclosure tracker RealtyTrac Inc. — the fifth highest rate among major cities.

Homes in Las Vegas, on average, have lost more than half their value since 2006. They now sell for less than they did in 2000. The city had a record-high 14.9 percent unemployment rate in December. It also led the nation in foreclosures last year.

Three out of every four sales in southern Nevada are foreclosures or “short sales.” These sales occur when a bank lets a homeowner sell a home for less than what’s owed on the mortgage.

“You can see how many people’s dreams just didn’t make it,” said Karin Wilson, a real estate agent with Century 21 in Las Vegas.

For many, the problem is getting worse. In Phoenix, about 70 percent of all homes with a mortgage were at risk of foreclosure in January, according to the Arizona Regional Multiple Listing Service.

The median home price has dropped by half since 2008, to roughly $110,000. Prices in one central Phoenix zip code have plunged 81 percent in the past three years.

In Tampa, foreclosures and short sales dominate the housing market. One in 20 households with a mortgage was at risk of foreclosure last year. Home buyers are mainly interested in distressed properties, real estate agents say.

“They all want to steal them,” said Stephanie LeFew, owner of Tampa Home Buy Realty. “I had someone call me from Australia the other day wanting an inexpensive property for $20,000.”

Tougher lending rules have scared away some potential home-buyers. Banks have been hesitant to extend new credit. Many are demanding that buyers put down a larger down payment. During the housing boom, people in many cases were able to buy homes with little or no money down.

In many depressed markets, a significant percentage of buyers are really investors and private equity firms looking to cash in on cheap real estate, Realtors say.

The federal government is trying to deter this practice, at least in cities hit hardest by foreclosures. In Detroit, the city is using money from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to offer suburban homes to police officers with only a $1,000 down payment.

But locals have yet to take advantage. The average home price in Detroit fell 7.5 percent in the October-December quarter, to $73,200, the lowest in the nation, according to Zillow.com.

“People don’t qualify for loans anymore, and banks have continued to price homes lower and lower,” said Mike Shannon, a suburban Detroit real estate agent who specializes in foreclosures.

Millions of foreclosures are also expected to flood the market this year. That will force prices still lower. For many, the big question is, when will prices bottom? Some have tried to time their purchases to buy at the bottom. It often hasn’t worked.

Matthew Hartman, a 38-year-old sales manager in Chicago, thought he was getting a steal in 2009 when he bought a four-bedroom house for $395,000. He sold it last month for $370,000.

“We kind of thought that the market was toward the bottom, especially when we moved here in August of last year,” he said. “We thought we got a great deal on this house.”

What Economics is NOT

It is starting again. It is a phenomenon that occurs more regularly now, especially with daily talk of massive imbalances right along with a massive boost in activity. More and more people are scratching their heads wondering what gives. Once again, economics has become a debating society. There are Keynesians, Austrians, the Classic folks, and those who will use ridiculous rationale and textbook, but not applicable accounting definitions to try to assert that we’re really getting rich every time the government borrows another dollar. It is no wonder people are confused. Like so many other areas of our society, particularly morality, the definitions have been skewed, the lines, blurred, and the waters made muddy.

I am not going to sit here and explain the difference between the schools of economic thought because it isn’t necessary. I’m not going to sit here and tell you what you already know, because you already know it. What I am going to do is spend a few minutes giving you some good reasons why you should follow the laws of economics and tune out the nonsense from politicians, the pundits, and the bank-financed media.

Economics is not a debating society. There are laws. These laws are immutable. This is not just my opinion; rather, it is a fact that has been borne out time and time again throughout history. Obey the laws of economics and you will fare well; cross them and you’re in trouble. The biggest caveat in all of this is that the punishments are often not immediate. If you put your hand on a hot stove you’ll know instantly the consequences of your actions. The same goes for jumping in a cold lake in the middle of January. However, when it comes to money and economics, it is often possible, and very normal, to get away with bad behavior for a time. This is dangerous because people often forget that their proverbial hand is an inch above the hot stove.

Econ 101

This is precisely the point we are at in the progression of America and most of the world. Our hand is an inch above the stove and we’re clueless because we’ve gotten away with breaking the laws of economics long enough that we are convinced that we have a free pass and can continue our behavior in perpetuity. We look at our television sets and the massive social unrest in other parts of the world and feel insulated because we live in America. We’re watching others partake in the negative consequences of violating the laws of economics yet we’re secure in the naïve notion that it can’t happen here.

It is a simple law of economics that if you consume more than you produce that you’re going to become poor, not rich. Our government and media would have you believe the exact opposite and so many of you have tried it their way and lost badly. Think of the family who month after month consumes beyond their production. They go into debt and become a slave to the creditor. They become destitute, insolvent, and eventually go bankrupt. It is happening all the time. Why is a nation any different? It isn’t. Sure, a nation has more resources than the individual to kick the can down the road a little longer, but in the end, the result is the same. The law has been violated and the consequence awaits.

Bankruptcies

Wealth doesn’t come from a printing press or a credit card. This is another intellectual fraud that has been perpetrated on people the globe over. Wealth is a result of work, foregoing of consumption, and investment of the resultant savings. Notice it starts with work, not Bernanke’s printing press or VISA. We earn a living from the sweat of our brow, not by being wards of the government printing press. We have been told the exact opposite though. We’ve been told that we’re prosperous even while our debts balloon. We’ve been told we have a healthy economic recovery without putting the unemployed back to work. These claims are fraudulent and should be ignored.

We’ve also been conditioned to believe that we are exempt from the consequences of economic malfeasance because we issue the world’s reserve currency. This is another prevarication. First of all, the Dollar is not issued by the US government, the people of America, or any other American institution. The Dollar is issued by a privately owned, privately held corporation that has its own best interests in mind, not America’s. And even if the US Treasury did issue the Dollar and there was no Fed, it still would not cloak us in immunity from a sound economic beating for over issuing currency and spreading inflation around the world.

We did get a little bit of truth from Mr. Ben a few weeks back when he was asked about near record high global food prices and what affects quantitative easing (another fraud) was having in the commodities markets. Ben answered, essentially admitting that QE has been holding up our financial markets. QE is just another tool being used to kick the can down the road and push the consequences of our poor decisions another day into the future when another Congress and another generation will have to deal with it. And guess what? They won’t be any better equipped to handle it than we are today. They won’t be any smarter. The only real thing we’ve learned from history is that we don’t learn from history. Our best hope at dealing with our economic problems is now, on both a personal level and in the aggregate.

Economics is not some Pandora’s black box of evil-looking equations, charts, and terms that are not meant to be understood. On the surface all you really need to know is what has been stated in the past two pages. The laws of economics are common sense. Sure, we can get detailed in trying to explain and analyze that common sense, but the explanations are not economics, the common sense is. Keep that in mind as you follow what is going on and make decisions in your own life.

Housing Crash Hitting Cities Once Thought to be Stable

Published on: 02/14/2011
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Few believed the housing market here would ever collapse. Now they wonder if it will ever stop slumping.

Home For Sale or For Rent

The rolling real estate crash that ravaged Florida and the Southwest is delivering a new wave of distress to communities once thought to be immune — economically diversified cities where the boom was relatively restrained.

In the last year, home prices in Seattle had a bigger decline than in Las Vegas. Minneapolis dropped more than Miami, and Atlanta fared worse than Phoenix.

The bubble markets, where builders, buyers and banks ran wild, began falling first, economists say, so they are close to the end of the cycle and in some cases on their way back up. Nearly everyone else still has another season of pain.

“When I go out and talk to people around town, they say, ‘Wow, I thought we were going to have a 12 percent correction and call it a day,’ ” said Stan Humphries, chief economist for the housing site Zillow, which is based in Seattle. “But this thing just keeps on going.”

Seattle is down about 31 percent from its mid-2007 peak and, according to Zillow’s calculations, still has as much as 10 percent to fall.

Mr. Humphries estimates the rest of the country will drop a further 5 and 7 percent as last year’s tax credits for home buyers continue to wear off.

“We went into 2010 feeling gangbusters, thanks to Uncle Sam,” Mr. Humphries said. “We ended it feeling penniless, with home values tanking.”

The fact that even a fairly prosperous area like Seattle was ensnared in the downturn shows just how much of a national phenomenon the crash has been.

The slump began when the low-quality loans that drove the latter stage of the boom began to go bad, but the resulting recession greatly enlarged the crisis. Many people could not get a mortgage, and others simply gave up the hunt.

Now, though the overall economy seems to be mending, housing remains stubbornly weak. That presents a vexing problem for the Obama administration, which has introduced several initiatives intended to help homeowners, with mixed success.

CoreLogic, a data firm, said last week that American home prices fell 5.5 percent in 2010, back to the recession low of March 2009. New home sales are scraping along the bottom. Mortgage applications are near a 15-year low, boding ill for the rest of the winter.

It has been a long, painful slide. At the peak, a downturn in real estate in Seattle was nearly unthinkable.

In September 2006, after prices started falling in many parts of the country but were still increasing here, The Seattle Times noted that the last time prices in the city dropped on a quarterly basis was during the severe recession of 1982.

Two local economists were quoted all but guaranteeing that Seattle was immune “if history is any indication.”

A risk index from PMI Mortgage Insurance gave the odds of Seattle prices dropping at a negligible 11 percent.

These days, the mood here is chastened when not downright fatalistic. If a recovery depends on a belief in better times, that seems a long way off. Those who must sell close their eyes and hope for the best.

Those who hope to buy see lower prices but often have lighter wallets, removing any sense of urgency.

Arne Klubberud and Melissa Lee-Klubberud paid $358,000 for a new, 960-square-foot townhouse on trendy Capitol Hill a few weeks after that Seattle Times article was published. Now, with one child and with hopes for more, they need more space.

They just put the townhouse on the market for $300,000.

“Obviously, this is not the ideal situation,” said Ms. Lee-Klubberud, a 32-year-old lawyer. They are hoping to take advantage of the sour market to buy at a good price, but first, they must sell for an amount that is acceptable.

“Everyone has their limits,” she said. “We have ours.”

On a dark, dank Sunday, a handful of people came to look at the three-level unit. One of them was Katherine Davis, who had just sold her house in the far eastern suburbs. It took 14 months, during which she had to drop the price several times.

The equity she had accumulated over the decades disappeared quickly.

“At first, I thought it would be nice to come out of this with $200,000, but I adjusted my expectations,” Ms. Davis said. She ended up with less than half of that. Her goal is to buy a small place in the city, but not yet.

“Selfishly, I’m hoping the market continues to drop,” she said. Increasing numbers of sellers are simply surrendering.

Megan and Ryan Dortch tried to sell their one-bedroom Eastlake condo for $325,000 two years ago. They rejected an offer of $295,000 as inadequate. A year later, they relisted it for $289,000, then $279,000, which was less than they paid.

Without a sale at that price, they could not afford to buy a place big enough for them and their new baby.

They have given up on real estate. They are renting out their old apartment at a small loss every month, and living in a rented house.

“I don’t expect the market to get better,” said Ms. Dortch, 31, a customer service consultant.

Neither does Gene Burrus, another frustrated seller who became a landlord. “Rent is so cheap it doesn’t make sense to buy now,” he said. He might reconsider if 10 or 15 percent more comes out of the market.

Redfin, a real estate brokerage firm based in Seattle, says foot traffic began picking up in the last several weeks. Mortgage rates are rising, which could nudge those who need to buy to make a deal now for fear rates will rise even more.

But whenever the market finally does pick up, all those accidental landlords will want to unload, putting another burden on the market.

“So many sellers are waiting in the shadows,” said Redfin’s chief executive, Glenn Kelman. “The inventory is going to expand and expand and expand. I don’t see any basis for significant price increases.”

While almost every economist is expecting another round of price declines for the next few months, many see a leveling off in the second half of the year.

Fiserv, the company that produces the monthly Case-Shiller Home Price Indexes, analyzed prices in 375 communities. About three-quarters of them will be stable by December, Fiserv calculates.

“We’re at a period near the bottom but with more volatility than we normally see at this point,” said David Stiff, Fiserv’s chief economist. “This sort of double dip is unprecedented for housing.”

Maybe that is why belief in a bottom is as elusive now as fears of a top were in 2006.

“We would love to have a house,” said Dan Cunningham, a 41-year-old renter. “I have more than enough for a down payment. I’m preapproved for a loan. But I have to have confidence it’s not going to lose another 20 percent.”

He plans to wait until he sees prices rising before making any offers.

Andy’s Monthly Appearance on Liberty Talk Radio

Andy Sutton appeared on Liberty Talk Radio with host Joe Cristiano for their monthly conversation about the economy, financial markets, and anything else Joe had up his sleeve. Some topics included:

  • A frank discussion of the dilemmas of quantitative easing
  • What the economic and financial landscape will look like if the present course is not changed immediately
  • Natural resource constraints – China understands, but do we?

As a reminder, these appearances are the third Wednesday of each month, starting at 8PM Eastern Time. The call-in numbers are 888-773-4496 and 646-652-4620

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